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Cobraman
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Joined: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:53 pm Posts: 139
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 Re: Sinus/Gum Infection
An antibiotic would be helpful. Your oral surgeon should be able to call one in for you. Do you have tenderness to palpation in the area of the recent extractions? If so you may have a piece of osseous sequestrum, a piece of bone that broke free during extraction and is trapped in site, causing mild localized infection. Usually on upper little chance of infection because upper bone is so well circulated. Worst case scenario is that the surgeon will make an incision and curette the site(scrape the bone and make it bleed). This will drive circulation to the area and heal it. It won't even be that sore. Bottom line is your RA is compromising your immune response so do you can to strengthen your immune system. This can be done w/ supplements, exercise, and better sleep.
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| Sun May 29, 2011 7:33 pm |
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hranch
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Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:08 pm Posts: 21
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I actually have just got off a antibiotic. I have been on them the whole year. Nothing has helped. It does hurt when I touch it. My extractions took place last July. I had a root canal done by the extractions last month. There was infection then also. He put me on a antibiotic. I have always complained of pain in the bone graft area. It is not even smooth. It is larger than the other gum side. I have pus coming out and the gland in the mouth is is swollen. I have been taken mega doses of Vitamin C. I think the infection is the reason my RA is acting up not to mention my nerves. My RA is moderate but since the infection is really just ballooned. All I know is I was not in this shape until I had the extraction from the tooth with the crown that was infected. Thanks for the advice. I guess I will know more this week 
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| Sun May 29, 2011 8:19 pm |
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glacier920
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Joined: Sat May 28, 2011 2:21 am Posts: 36
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hranch, I got sinus problems too. I also have oral problems and I have found that vitamin C does wonders for me. Do you get bad breath in the morning? I do, but the Vitamin C seems to have lessened it quite a bit. I think it is the bad smell or discharge that causes the sinus problems. The germs from the mucous in your mouth makes its way up the nasal passage and it is being exposed for several hours while you are sleeping. Whenever I wake up after a few hours of sleep, I get a mucousy mouth, I think it's because of some sub clinical to almost acute scurvy state. I have been taking Vitamin C for almost a year, and I have not heard that you need to take enough to cause loose stools until a few months ago. Since then, I have felt a lot better, though the chronic problem is not completely cured. I have found a direct effect between my vitamin C intake and how bad my mouth is in the morning. But for some strange reason, the high intake of vitamin C did not completely cure it. Now I am taking lypo-spheric vitamin C, and I think the improvement is increasing still. I hope that I would be cured soon. It may take awhile. I hope describing some of my problems may help yours. Cheers.
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| Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:11 am |
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hranch
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Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:08 pm Posts: 21
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Hi
I did have a scan last week of my sinus cavity. The radiologist said not holes were there. Yet, I also wake with my teeth surrounded in mucous. I take Vitamin C to bt also and have done the lypo-spheric vitamin C also. I was told I have a anaerobic bacteria infection. I had tooth extracted but the fissule tract is still there. I still taste discharge but now I am just going to face reality and say its all in my head...seems to be the only answer I get these days.
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eDOC
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I would suggest taking .8% Parthenolide 500mg caps along with VC for at least 3 months adjusting its dosage with serum CRP & RA levels.
Clinically have seen excellent results in cases of RA, Migraines & infections.
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| Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:00 pm |
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Daniel D
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Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:19 am Posts: 53
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 Re: Sinus/Gum Infection
Hi,
for the infection i think Iodine would may be of great help. I have used Lugols solution and povidon Iodine for gum infection etc. as a mouthwash (diluted with water). It worked very well and fast for me, but i have had only some minor inflammation and bleeding gums. I used it with flossing too (undiluted). I have read somewhere on the net, that it had helped in a case of severe gum inflammation where implants were not possible before the use of Iodine.
Migraine is IMHO caused by hormone imbalance (LEF.org is selling a book explaining that in detail). Mercury poisoning can be the root of this. Since i take Pregnenolone, Testosteron and Hydrocortison (just as needed) i do not have migraine anymore. May be your adrenals are weak due too the stress caused by your health issues (again i recommend curezone for that and may be Cutlers book on Mercury amalgam as Mercury taxes the adrenals he explains a lot).
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| Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:05 am |
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hranch
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Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:08 pm Posts: 21
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Since then I have seen all types of doctors and dentists. Eventually, I found a dentist who removed my fillings and replaced with crowns. I just amped up all vitamins and iodine was in there. I took all suggestions even the feverfew. The muscles were extremely tight in neck. I had styes in my eyes and other really odd reactions. Went to RA and ran test. Was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Just what I did not want. I was put on a muscle relaxant which seemed to stop the pain in the neck muscles. I kept up the Vit C and the rest of the vitamins. I finally was able to feel,like I could function. I had no more sinus problems or gum problems for a long time. Until a month ago I started having sharp pains in upper jaw and still have that same funky infection taste. I have had scans from oral surgeons and dentists. They see nothing. So I live with it. I just keep things in check with the vitamins.
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| Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:03 pm |
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eDOC
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Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:05 am Posts: 185
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Have they thought/ ruled out Trigeminal Neuralgia?
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| Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:38 am |
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hranch
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Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:08 pm Posts: 21
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My doctor did mention it. She did not think this was the case because of the taste of infection I get with it. She is at a loss. She was honest and said she has no clue but referred me to other doctors and dentists. I have not met any doctor yet that did not believe it was not a dental issue. I have seem MULTIPLE dentists and they all insist. It's medical. I started having indigestion worse than ever, which is extremely odd for me because I have never had it before. So it seems that when I get that indigestion it almost always starts that pain in jaw and nasty taste in mouth. My doctor did mention that at 44 sometimes women's bodies act weird due to hormones. I am glad that at least I am able to function unlike last year when this started. I search the web hundreds a times a week and no clue what this. So,if docs don't know what I have, I have to wait and see if something else manifests itself to give me a clue what is going on. There is no doubt that this started with the extraction and bone graft.
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Johnwen
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Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:27 pm Posts: 902
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Well I finally got around to reading this post and the last posting was 4 month’s ago and couldn’t help but to wonder if she found any help for her problem. First of all I’d like to compliment Edoc and Cobraman on their thoughts and advice on this matter. Without the patient in view and responding to words their years of experience shine through without a doubt.
First her infection: She really doesn’t go into too much detail as to the type or name of the antibiotic used. Since she really didn’t get to much help with it I would have leaned towards a trimethoprim or a sulfamethoxazole type antibiotic with her case I would lean more in the Smx direction because of the spectrum it covers.
The pain and other body symptoms seems to definitely point towards neuralgia. My feelings on this is I believe gabapentin would be the drug of choice in this matter. I would start at 100mg 2x a day and look for response, probably shoot for 3x a day. Maybe a short term, low dose steroid for controll at beginning would help.
These is just my opinion after 4 months hopefully the V-C has given some relief. I also hope someone hasn’t convinced her she needs to take anti-depressants for a tooth problem.
_________________ To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research!
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scurvyencounters
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Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:17 am Posts: 145
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hranch, I just read through this thread and a few thoughts come to mind. First of all, with all the mention of crowns and dental work, no one has talked about mercury toxicity! Do you have or have you had mercury amalgam crowns and fillings? And with root canals, there is the possibility of cavitations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0WWXzJuuRY&feature=relmfuand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYbOvx54OOs&feature=related are some youtube videos concerning mercury and root canals. The severity of my family's mercury toxicity experience has taught me to take it very seriously. My son's success adding niacinamide to his protocol has led me to do the same. Mercury toxicity issues would cause me to have serious headaches, but adequate niacinamide levels have made all the difference in the world. Dr William Kaufman used niacinamide successfully for many years with his arthritis patients. I don't recall if that included RA as well as osteo. Do a web search on william kaufman, arthritis, and niacinamide. By the way, have you ever read Dr Hal Huggins book, "Its All In Your Head" concerning mercury toxicity?
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hranch
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Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:08 pm Posts: 21
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Update: I went to a few more doctors after I started having eye infections and mouth ulcers for a month. No one could determine what was going on. Eventually I was told I had fibromyalgia. She did give me muscle relaxants because I have knots flaring up in neck, arms, and back. I did take them but they made me feel extremely tired. I went to Florida on a midnight flight staying up,all night. BAM- ulcers in mouth, eye infection, sore muscles all over again.
I started taking 50,000 gif Vit C and doubled lugols. I used melatonin as (I) believe there is some sort of connection to how much rest I get and my symptoms appearing. I started seeing relief after two months. I don't have throbbing pain in the mouth or sinus problems. I still have terrible knots in muscles but I usually sit in steam room or massages to help it. Every now and then I get the sharp pain ripping through jaw. It lingers for a few seconds and disappears for weeks. I increased Vit b-6 as I heard this is good for nerves, which I think could be the case. I do have a small nodule on left palm under middle finger. It is sore to touch but I typically don't notice it unless I touch it. Not sure if this is arthritis but I'm feeling too good to go back to a doctor.
My doctor says sometimes people are sick and get better without anyone knowing the cause. I know that the Vitamin C and Lugols has helped me tremendously.
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ofonorow
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Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8161 Location: Lisle, IL
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Quote: My doctor says sometimes people are sick and get better without anyone knowing the cause. I know that the Vitamin C and Lugols has helped me tremendously.
Well, I'm sorry I didn't think of this before. If adrenal fatigue/low cortisol output wasn't the proximate cause of your infections (See Jefferies SAFE USES OF CORTISOL, 3Rd Edition (2004), then by now your adrenals are definitely exhausted leading to the infections and symptoms you describe.
In my opinion, there is little doubt that a sub-replacement dosages of cortisol, as described by Dr. Jefferies, would work a stronger miracle for you than even vitamin C. (Note: Adrenal tissues have the largest concentration of vitamin C in the body.)
However, finding a doctor to give the long-term prescription is nearly impossible. You might ask your doc(s) if you can get a short term prescription (as I was able to get one or two prescriptions from every doctor, but not a long-term prescription).
In lieu of reading the Jefferies book, you want to take less than or up to 8-10 mg of predinsone or methyl prednisolone (what I now take) or up to 35-40 mg of hydrocortisone.
Exceeding these amounts is dangerous.
You should experience considerable relief on half these dosages.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:09 am |
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hranch
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I will definitely talk to the doctor but think I will have to find a different one as my own doctor has mentioned she is not as knowledgable in this area. Maybe she thinks I am nuts.. Today the shocking pain in jaw came back and caused some serious heartburn. It has stuck with me all day. Sometimes it feels as if I have been shocked in the jaw and other times just a low aching pain going down my face. Seems like the pain originates at the upper jaw but feel pain run up to temple and down through the neck. At which point the heartburn starts.
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ofonorow
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Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8161 Location: Lisle, IL
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hranch wrote: I will definitely talk to the doctor but think I will have to find a different one as my own doctor has mentioned she is not as knowledgable in this area. Maybe she thinks I am nuts.. Today the shocking pain in jaw came back and caused some serious heartburn. It has stuck with me all day. Sometimes it feels as if I have been shocked in the jaw and other times just a low aching pain going down my face. Seems like the pain originates at the upper jaw but feel pain run up to temple and down through the neck. At which point the heartburn starts. Heartburn can be a lesion at the lower end of the esophagus. Add baking soda to your ascorbic acid, or take about half your vitamin C as sodium ascorbate. That should help some. (Also, avoid antacid pills, as low stomach acid reduces the bioavailability of vitamin C. )
The pain in the jaw implies the infection is active. These are called cavitations and you will need a Huggins trained dentist to remove them. (Like night and day after my dentist removed mine - and my tonsils. I now strive to keep my teeth/mouth clean daily with a water pic and sonic blaster (in lieu of floss).
So I still recommend cortisol replacement based entirely on my own experience. I am the co-founder of the Vitamin C Foundation and take 18 g (approx.) every day. Yet I developed probably the only serious disease that will not respond to vitamin C! Quite a learning experience. Adrenal exhaustion. With the hormone (cortisol) replacement dosage as recommended by Jefferies, I am playing tennis again. Knock on wood.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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