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Why is Sodium Ascorbate for IV Yellow?
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ofonorow
Ascorbate Wizard
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8131 Location: Lisle, IL
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 Why is Sodium Ascorbate for IV Yellow?
Quote: Dear Owen Fonorow:
The VCF suggested that I contact you for in-depth information.
#1 I have recently purchased (from McGuff Compounding) vials of sodium ascorbate dissolved in water (50 mg per 100 ml).
INTERESTING. MCGUFF IS SELLING AGAIN HEH? (COMPOUNDING?)Quote: I have noticed that the color of the contents of the vials is yellow. I believe that /pure/ sodium ascorbate dissolved in /pure/ water should yield a colorless solution. Can you offer any explanation of whatever possible chemical reactions may have led to the yellow color? (I suspect the reason for the yellow color is that some of the ascorbate has been oxidized, by oxygen dissolved in the water, to dehydroascorbate, but that is merely speculation on my part.)
YELLOW IS GOOD AND CORRECT!!
THAT MEANS IT IS INDEED SODIUM ASCORBATE (AS OPPOSED TO CLEAR ASCORBIC ACID (BUFFERED) E.G., AS SOLD BY BIONICHE! (AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXPLANATION WHY THEIR VITAMIN C FOR INJECTION DOES NOT TURN YELLOW!)
IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT THE CHEMICAL REACTIONS MY ALT DOC WOULD KISS YOU!
HE NOW SEES THE VAST DIFFERENCE IN PATIENT REACTIONS BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF VITAMIN C INJECTIONS AND WANTS TO UNDERSTAND AND DO A PAPER ON SODIUM ASCORBATE, BUT THE LAB STUDIES ARE WAY TOO EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT. HE HAS A THEORY...
DO NOT WORRY. YELLOW IS GOOD. CATHCART MENTIONS IT TOO, THAT WHEN THE STOCK SODIUM ASCORBATE AND WATER SOLUTION IS MIXED, IT TURNS YELLOW.Quote: #2 I notice that it is commonplace for edetate disodium to be added to solutions of ascorbate for IV infusion. Can you tell me why edetate disodium is added. (It is my present understanding that edetate disodium is a chelating agent and I am speculating that it is added to chelate stray copper ions and other stray metal ions contaminating the sodium ascorbate preparations. I am further thinking that a much better approach would be to use water free of stray metal ions and thus not need edetate disodium, which I would prefer not to ultimately infuse into my bloodstream.)
YES. EDTA ACTS AS A PRESERVATIVE. THIS IS EXPLAINED IN THE CATHCART LECTURE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgi-7xPrCAg
AND PROBABLY IN THE ACCOMPANYING PAPER http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/ivc/civprep.pdf
IF YOU MIX AND THEN ADMINISTER RIGHT AWAY, THERE IS NO NEED FOR EDTA. Quote: #3 I would like to know the critical temperature above which ascorbate ions begin to break down. In other words, it is my understanding that if one boils vitamin C in a water solution, the vitamin C breaks down into useless constituents. Could you clarify this for me?
VITAMIN C BREAKS DOWN 50% AT ROOM TEMPERATURE IN WATER AFTER 4 HOURS. SEE: VITAMIN C, ITS BIOLOGY AND MEDICAL POTENTIAL (Sherry Lewin, 1976)Quote: I plan to soon purchase sodium ascorbate from Vitamin C Foundation for use hereafter in the preparation of sodium ascorbate in water solutions to avoid purchasing any China products. Thank you for making this available to people like me.
Thanks for your time and attention.
Sincerely,
Gene
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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jaynie
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:16 am Posts: 4
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 Re: Why is Sodium Ascorbate for IV Yellow?
So now I am confused. Yellow is a good sign of sodium ascorbate, but yellow also means DHAA, which I do not want in any great quantity according to other posts here. So why then am I doing IVC with ascorbate that actually is DHAA? Should I not be using a buffered AA that hasn't oxidized (like what Bioniche offer), but how then is it that 'better' results are reported with the Cathcart (which I'm doing) when it is DHAA?
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ofonorow
Ascorbate Wizard
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8131 Location: Lisle, IL
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 Re: Why is Sodium Ascorbate for IV Yellow?
There is an assumption that the yellow is from DHA - but this is a guess, and since the yellow happens so fast, and doesn't seem to change all that much over time, I don't know if that DHA assumption is true.
In any event, Cathcart mentions that when they held the SA at the bottom of the IV bag as a "sludge", the solution, remains clear. It turns yellow after it is mixed, so again, although Cathcart guessed the yellow is DHA, it is my experience that sodium ascorbate is yellow in water.
As far as the commercial Bioniche versus Cathcart sodium ascorbate, it is a very distinct difference, and the bioniche is very mild, such as you might want after dental work, to cleanse toxins. But if I were fighting cancer, I would want to use the Cathcart style sodium ascorbate. (And we verified in the Pauling/Cameron cancer book that Cameron used sodium ascorbate IV.)
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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