clopidogrel with lypo glutathione and lypo vitamin c
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salim
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 clopidogrel with lypo glutathione and lypo vitamin c
had heart attack in June this year and one stent inserted. cardiolodist prescribed clopidogrel. can i take lypo c from livon labs while having clopidogrel and aspirin.
thank You salim
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| Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:34 pm |
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skyorbit
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The only issue is that if your on blood thinners, Vitamin C will interfear with the blood thinners -- meaning you might need more blood thinners to get the same effect. However, Vitamin C will also start to heal the reason for why you need the blood thinners in the first place. So is that drug a blood thinner? If it is, I'd maybe try to find an actual doctor that familiar with orthomolecular medicine so they can kind of monitor things while you're on it. http://www.acamnet.orgType in your Zip code.
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| Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:13 pm |
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salim
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Thanks
Clopigogrel is an anti platelet medicine used to prevent blood from clotting. I will look for a ortomolecular doctor in my area in south africa
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:14 am |
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salim
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I am also having the following product manufactured in south africa : Product name-cholesterolease and each sachet conatins : Vitamin a - 2.27mg Vitamin b6 - 50mg Vitamin c as ascobic acid - 3000mg Vitamin e (50 percent) - 282mg L arginine - 200 mg L lysine - 3000mg L proline - 500 mg Folic acid - 400 ug Website ( http://www.choresterolease.com) I currently am having 2 sachets a day plus a further 12 grams of buffered vitamin c power. We do have a big range of vitamin c products to choose from in south africa. Ideally I will love to get ascorbate9 or cardio c. Any help will be much obliged. Salim
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:32 am |
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salim
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I would like Owen and Johnwen to comment
Tks
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:08 am |
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ofonorow
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First on the skyorbit's comment that vitamin C "interferes with blood thinners." Reference? Here is johnwens answer http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10548&p=30974&hilit=vitamin+C+blood+thinners#p30974Quote: Re: Dose High dosage of vitamin c and blood thinners Plavix and effient are Anti-Platlets not blood thinners. Anti-platelets keep platelets from sticking together and causing clumps and blood thinners affect coagulation.(fibrogen) Anti-platets and blood thinners are NOT affected by V-C. Anti-Platelets are affect by Vitamin E at Higher then 200 iu's Blood Thinners (warfarin) are affected by Vitamin K1
So I question the initial comment that vitamin C will interfere with blood thinners. (Somewhere we posted Dr. Levy's comment. Might have a more cautious opinion. If anyone can find it, let me know.)
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:45 pm |
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ofonorow
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salim wrote: I am also having the following product manufactured in south africa : Product name-cholesterolease and each sachet contains : Vitamin a - 2.27mg Vitamin b6 - 50mg Vitamin c as ascobic acid - 3000mg Vitamin e (50 percent) - 282mg L arginine - 200 mg L lysine - 3000mg L proline - 500 mg Folic acid - 400 ug Website ( http://www.choresterolease.com) I currently am having 2 sachets a day plus a further 12 grams of buffered vitamin c power. We do have a big range of vitamin c products to choose from in south africa. Ideally I will love to get ascorbate9 or cardio c. Any help will be much obliged. Salim Seems to be an excellent formula (hard for me to work with mg - more familiar with IU for vitamins A/E.)
AHHH
You put this in the liposomal forum? Are you really intending to put all these ingredients in liposomes?
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:48 pm |
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salim
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Mr Fonorow,
I meant to that in south africa in my area we do not have a large range of vitamin c to choose from however. We do have a person in south africa who sells livon lab products. Livon labs put me into contact with this Person and I then ordered 30 sachets of lypo c and 30 sachets Of lipo glutathione and wanted to know if the lyPo products will interfere with the clopidogrel that the cardiologist prescribed me. You Have answered this question Above thank you.
Please advisE if the livon lypo products will benefit me. I also think this post is in the wrong forum. Apologies for that. Thank you SalIm
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:11 pm |
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skyorbit
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"Special Notes: Vitamin C in any form can lessen the blood-thinning effects of Coumadin or Warfarin, resulting in a less prolonged prothrombin time. LivOn Labs urges anybody on either of these medications to supplement vitamin C and any other antioxidants under the guidance of their physicians only, so that the desired prolongation of prothrombin time can be achieved over time. Generally, most individuals on such medications can successfully take desirable amounts of vitamin C, but the amount of their Coumadin or Warfarin typically needs to be increased slightly, with initially more frequent checking of the prothrombin time by their physicians to assure the desirable degree of anticoagulation is achieved and maintained." http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/start. ... min-c.htmlAgain, I'm finding it strange that the moderator of the forum is asking for "proof" and references for basic things. I would think that you'd at least already know about these claims even if you disagree with them. Tracy
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:39 pm |
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skyorbit
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My personal feeling is that this risk is lessened with LyPo C. Much of the Vitamin C from LypoSomes goes directly into the cells, so it's not in the blood-stream to cause the above mentioned interference. But some of it is.
Tracy
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| Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:43 pm |
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ofonorow
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Not understanding your point?
Quote: Again, I'm finding it strange that the moderator of the forum is asking for "proof" and references for basic things. I would think that you'd at least already know about these claims even if you disagree with them.
Yes, basic things that I know are wrong. Since you posted it, I assume you had some reference - and you supplied it. Thank you. They are wrong however.
I remember that even Dr. Levy doesn't agree with the wording of that warning by Livon.
Here is from my correspondence.Tom Levy,MD wrote: Hi Owen, Prothrombin times must be checked more frequently, at least initially, when vitamin C is taken with Coumadin or warfarin, with the doc usually adjusting the prescription dosage upwards a bit with a fixed amount of VC supplementation to achieve the desired degree of anticoagulation. I do not feel there needs to be any concern about vitamin C and antiplatelet agents. I am not aware of any information or studies to the contrary on this matter. Best regards, Dr. Levy
ofonorow wrote:
Thank you Dr. Levy, Given this, which is reasonable, why isn't Livon's advice warning YOUR wording - rather than what they have up there now? e.i. "Special Notes: It is not recommended that any form of vitamin C be taken with blood thinners, " Owen
Tom Levy, MD wrote: Owen, I sent them much of this correspondence with my suggestions, so we'll see what they do. Ultimately, it is their medicolegal decision to make, and how completely safe they want to be. Also, I read your entry from today. Vitamin K will absolutely and rapidly reverse the prolonged prothrombin time that results from Coumadin or warfarin. In fact, administering large amounts by injection is how overcoagulation is emergently treated. See Best regards, Dr. Levy
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:24 am |
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skyorbit
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Thank you Owen. Looks like what Dr levy said is exactly what LiVon Labs says though. You might have to increase your dosage of the Blood Thinner a bit to achieve the same results.
Sorry, I guess I just expected you to know what I was referring to.
Looks like Livon Labs has taken his suggestions because it doesn't say don't take it anymore.
Tracy
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| Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:20 pm |
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eDOC
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Take MMS or Parthenolide you won't need to take blood thinners.
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| Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:15 pm |
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salim
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hi Edoc,
thank you.
what is MMS
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| Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:51 pm |
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salim
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please also advise if i can suppliment omega 3 fish oil with anti platelet medication
tks
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| Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:58 pm |
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