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Question about Owen's 'C Defeats Gout' Experience
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ofonorow
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Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8161 Location: Lisle, IL
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 Question about Owen's 'C Defeats Gout' Experience
Quote: I am curious about 18Kmg of Vit C to make your gout go away never to return. Did you cut out all meat products, alcohol, or must one maintain (as a rule) 18Kmg daily of Vitamin C? For instance, so long as it is available, must one keep on doing it and withhold animal products and beer or if one were cut off from society (imprisoned or economically disenfranchised) would the gout tend to return? Please advise as this is a serious inquiry, in spite of how off-beat it might appear. Thanking you in advance. R.W.
Good question - I did not change my diet in any way that I am aware of, at least until very recently. And there have been two or more recent long-term studies that show vitamin C significantly reduces the risk of developing gout. (You don't read much about these studies because there are new prescription medications that recently hit the market to treat gout.) Story about one of the recent gout studies: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/15211/
So adopting Pauling's recommendations cleared up my hay fever and "gouty arthritis" as it was diagnosed. From memory, a swelling in the fingers and painful joints. It was probably the high C, but I have no way of knowing since I also adopted Pauling entire regimen in HTFBALL, i.e., the high vitamins A/E, B-complex and multi vitamin.
Everyone's C threshold may be different, but in my case, I would not want to reduce my vitamin C intake!
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:09 am |
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ofonorow
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Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8161 Location: Lisle, IL
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Quote: Thank you, (Dr.?) Foronow: This assumes that you were not vegan before. If I may be so bold, did you have a more or less "normal" Western diet that did not exclude cheese, butter, meat and possibly seafood? I ask this because some of the more famous people in natural health are always emphasizing how important it is to abstain from animal products and I don't really know what to think. For instance, I would love toenjoy baked beans every now and then even without pork, what precious little there is. It is difficult to live on a peasant diet that excludes such mainstays as pinto, white or any kind of beans and cornbread (for instance) when it is much cheaper.I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Dr. Pauling's dietary recommendations. I only remember that peo ple jumped all over him for suggesting that people take more C. He was a great man who was robbed of a third Nobel. There are a lot of raw foodists who don't seem to have much to say about gout, but spend a lot of time preparing with the most expensive ingredients on the planet (almonds, avocado, cashews) or eat 30 bananas a day. All of this is good if you can afford it, but natural and healthy shouldn't cost as much as eating steaks all the time if you're not doing that.
So, you had a more or less "normal" diet that included animal meats? I don't wish to sound like a dense or foolish person, but if you were able to beat that condition with 0C and those other supplements, I'm willing to suppose that the potential is there to live an almost "normal" life. If you are able to give me any feedback, I would be most grateful.
Meanwhile, thank you for having taken the time to answer my question and I am always grateful for any feedback you would like to share.
Have a great weekend and try to stay out of the cold. Thanks.
I am definitely NOT a vegan! Steak and eggs. My diet was reinforced by the Pauling book HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER - a regimen which most nutritionists now parrot - that eggs are almost the perfect food, and meat is excellent, etc. I wonder who these "experts" are that you have found and are listening to? I tend to restrict my highest level of belief to Pauling, if he had something to say on the subject. (It is true that Pauling was concerned about too much protein, as he had suffered a near fatal kidney disease at age 40 - and a very low protein diet helped him beat it.)
I am now aware of the metabolic diet, and the idea that people's bet diets are predetermine by where their ancestors originated. Tropics (fruits/vegs). Norther latitudes, (mostly fat/fish), etc.
By the way, I am NOT a big fish eater. Only when my wife prepares it, which is not all that often.
So I would recommend reading Pauling's book and taking his advice. You will lead a much more normal and healthier life.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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bbtri
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Beans are good to include in a diet unless you have a specific reason to avoid them. They have a lot of lysine, which is part of the protocol. With baked beans I would worry more about the sugar than the bacon, just make sure the bacon isn't chemically processed, or better yet use ham. I think the fiber is also a plus, but the paleo folks will probably castigate me for that.
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| Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:53 pm |
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ofonorow
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Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8161 Location: Lisle, IL
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Quote: Thanks for putting this out there. The experts are people like Schulze and others of their ilk who say things like "don't eat anything that comes from an animal or anything that has a face". This mantra I've heard from different places for years. There are loads of others, but out of respect for them, I'll Aleave it to any readers to investigate for themselves. Not all of them are church people, but many subscribe to different varieties of esoteric nonsense and they're out there if anyone wants to find them. A lot of these "experts" have come from people who had a book published or either have a voice in a church. A lot of them are scammers, imo. They're spouting ancient misinformation and what they say might be proven wrong. Some of them see m to go out of their way to use foul language in order to gain consumer confidence. That's another story. While an argument could be made for vegan, this is not the place for it and for practical purposes, it's with much appreciation I hear someone like you can live a normal life while experiencing gout-free living. Thanks and all feedback is welcome.=A0 We have to live in the real world and it's challenging enough to obtain vitamin C.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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ofonorow
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Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8161 Location: Lisle, IL
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Quote: Dear Dr. Fonorow:
I had written to you a while ago about gout and Vitamin C. You told me you started taking 18grams or so each day and it went away. I was wondering and had not thought of this but what happens when you are taking Vitamin C and it is 'ascorbic acid'?
* see some of the vitamin C is that type. Conversely, the active ingredient "Citric Acid" is supposed to be so great for eliminating uric acid and as far as I know will not break down to have a bad impact in the human body.
Then again, I'm not a doctor. Would you be so kind as to advise regarding using plain citric acid by itself (without potassium or other additives) for eliminating uric acid from the human body? I read so much on the internet I don't know what to believe and people speak of making ural sachets or something like that to mix with bicarbonate of soda and I am persuaded that using plain, pure citric acid would be sufficient to get the uric acid out but this is just my opinion and I can not 0say what is about it.
Are you able to advise me in this?The life you save may be my own.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
I think high dose vitamin C is likely the best treatment. I took most of mine then as ascorbic acid, but I doubt it matters, and sodium ascorbate may be just fine.
I know nothing about citric acid, at least w/r to gout.
There are several recent studies showing that ascorbic acid (vitamin C) reduces gout. What is your uric acid level? I purchased a home uric acid testing device - like a glucose meter , from the UK - made in Taiwan. From this device I learned that uric acid can vary wildly, depending on what you eat, but that backing soda, really potasium bicarbonate, can lower uric acid levels significantly.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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sevy.serena
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Hi Owen, I am sorry I don't have a question about gout. I have a result. Practically in Thailand where I go and stay most of my time, people uses some sort of fish sauce produced from Anchiovy. I was having above the limit acid uric in my blood. From time to time, pains to my toe left and right. Flue like symptoms. The doctor I was going to, was giving me antibiotic and medicine to stop the flue-cold what ever may had been. When taking last time the medicine, I realised the flue was not flue, I did go in the internet and realised flue like symptoms, comes when gout or acid uric is above the normal value. Conclusion, I stopped taking such poison the doctor gave me, taking Vit. C and drinking apple cedar vinegar did help to get rid of the problems. No gout or acid uric above the limit, no cold, cough or flue, plus an incredible blood pressure I never had even when young. With just two jars of vitamin C I could understand the difference. Not just on the gout acid uric. But my blood pressure who was around 85/95 on 135/145 sometime little above, now it is 65/78 on 108/128. It still may spike up when I eat sweets or too much fruit as bananas, durian fruit and other who are too sweet. So I did discover I have another problem to address. My pancreas need to work in full. Now thanks to Vitamin C, I pinpointed where my high blood pressure was coming from. It is very good to be skeptical when people gives news on the internet, but, MORE INTELLIGENT, to try a therapy who can't hurt anybody, other than the wallet if wrong if at stake, is our health. Thanks Owen, I will write again. Sevy Serena from Perth
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ofonorow
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Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8161 Location: Lisle, IL
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Beautiful!
I am still marveling at this molecule after all these years.
I have know (lack of it) can lead to heart disease, and large doses combined with lysine can cure heart disease.
I have been skeptical about cancer, thinking I know the underlying trophoblastic nature, but the recent studies/results regarding vitamin C and cancer are also out of this world.
Not to mention infectious diseases!
Yes, vitamin C is a panacea, which is why it is so hard to talk to other people about it.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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