Sorry. Nothing in there about cyanide jump starting endogenous ascorbate production. Try again.

/everyone here knows the power of IVC which is what the cited article talks about

I think you missed my point.The article did not say it in so many words (endogenous synthesis of ascorbate).How did as a result of taking vitamin B12, cobalt ascorbate was formed? Why don't you pioneer this?Several sublingual vitamin B12 tablets throughout each day will work well to trigger ascorbic acid synthesis in our body.Thanks,Van

B12 mixing with ascorbate already in the system has nothing to do with your erroneous leap that B12 or cyanide kick-start endogenous ascorbate production.

There is nothing/no-one anywhere in existence that says ingested cyanide creates ascorbate where there was none before in the human body (except you).

Invoking God does not give you a free pass to make unsubstantiated claims. The notion that ingesting cyanide allows the human body to synthesize vitamin C is no more than an hypothesis which is unsupported by evidence. I and others on this forum have open minds, but the only evidence you cite for your hypothesis does not support it. Here is a link you cited.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja01140a052


The link is to the first page of an article in the Journal of the American Chemical Society, dated October 1952. I don't think you understand what it says. It outlines a method of synthesizing d-ascorbic acid, which is not vitamin C, outside the body. At the bottom of the page, it begins to describe the experimental procedure:

"To a solution of d-xylose (12 g) in water (30 ml), methanol (750 ml) and cupric acetate (60 g) were added. The mixture was brought to a boil, refluxed for 10 minutes, cooled and filtered to remove cuprous oxide. The copper acetate in the filtrate was precipitated by hydrogen sulfide and after adding charcoal the solution was filtered and concentrated in vacuo at 35-40 degrees. The d-xylosone was obtained as a colorless syrupy substance. It..."

The page ends there. The cyanide has not been added yet, but already several toxic reactants are involved in the process, none of which occur naturally in significant amounts in the body. They are methanol, cupric acetate, and hydrogen sulfide. Only the d-xylose, a monosaccharide, is present in the body in significant amounts. It is common knowledge that cyanide is very toxic.

Here are a few unsubstantiated claims you have made:

"I have found that the cyanide component in one raw peruano bean(crumbled and ingested)allows approximately 500 mgs of ascorbic acid synthesis in a human."

Really? Where is your data?

"Several sublingual vitamin B12 tablets throughout each day will work well to trigger ascorbic acid synthesis in our body."

Again, where is your data? There is no mention in any of the literature or reference sources about vitamin C that I have read that state that vitamin B12 enables synthesis of ascorbic acid in the human body.

Huh? And where did you pull this factoid from?

Here is a review of the Edenic Diet, which is a raw vegan diet:

http://www.dietsinreview.com/diets/edenic-diet/

I'm afraid that you are going to miss out on this nutritional blessing.Look at what cyanide is doing for the Hunzas.Thanks,Van

Oh Great! Now we got to get our chakras aligned and eat kamali.

Van has some valid thougts. Here at the forum we have a discussion of ideas. Opportunties for research. Cyanide is found in beans, soil, water, things we all consume. Since we claim many of our necessary nutrients are now missing or diminished, maybe the same comments could be made about cyanide?

I don't follow your logic. The claim could be made about virtually any component of the food we eat, and it wouldn't mean squat with supporting evidence.

I think what you are saying that this component being so available and cheap,couldn't be of any value.Thanks,Van

I have found no evidence to support a hypothesis that there is a cyanide pathway to ascorbic acid synthesis in humans.

Without such evidence, it is dangerous to put into people's minds the notion that eating raw beans is a viable substitute for vitamin C supplementation.

I've been following this thread on and off for a while and a question has come to my mind.

Does anyone on this group ever think outside the box? Does everything have to be previously researched and proven for you to believe it?

What will happen to all of you when supplements are no longer available? Will you be aware of any alternate source for vitamin C besides fruits and vegetables?

I for one applaud Van's willingness to experiment and question the norm. It's pretty obvious that he's in the wrong forum to discuss anything out of the mainstream.

That's my 2 ¢!

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You can't just make things up.

Cyanide can and will readily kill you.

This thread needs to be bilged. There is nothing but the goings on inside Van's head supporting this topic.