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An argument against Ascorbic Acid
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ofonorow
Ascorbate Wizard
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8146 Location: Lisle, IL
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 An argument against Ascorbic Acid
An interested party shared the following correspondenceQuote: Dear S,
Thank you for contacting again. We are aware of the Vitamin C Foundation. They are proponents of ascorbic acid so of course they would like you to believe that ascorbic acid alone equals the vitamin C complex, which is simply not true.
The advantage of taking a whole food vitamin C goes far beyond the ascorbic acid portion of vitamin C. We have been led to believe that ascorbic acid is true vitamin C, when in reality, ascorbic acid is only one molecule out of the hundreds that make up food-form vitamin C. Food-form vitamin C provides your body with much more than just ascorbic acid. Our bodies require food-form vitamin C to manufacture collagen, which is the gluet hat holds your body together. Our bodies do not obtain all the pieces of the puzzle needed to manufacture collagen from ascorbic acid alone.
While it may be true that food-form ascorbic acid is basically the same as USP (United States Pharmacopeias) ascorbic acid, we are looking at much more than ascorbic acid with food-form vitamin C. There are all the other hundreds of molecules that we are getting with Pure Radiance C. The studies that were done that show vitamin C to be helpful to the immune system were done with food sources of vitamin C, not just ascorbic acid. When just ascorbic acid is introduced in these studies, they do not get the same immune-supporting results. The more studies that are done on ascorbic acid seem to show that rather than being an antioxidant, ascorbic acid creates free radicals. Ascorbic acid is alsovery hard on your stomach, because it is acidic inside the body, unlike whole food Vitamin C, which is alkalizing.
You may wish to look into the research and the studies done comparing whole-food vitamin C and synthetic ascorbic acid, as I think you would find some of the information you are looking for in these studies.
For obvious reasons, we can not decide for you whether to use whole food C or isolated ascorbic acid. Perhaps the truth is in the taking! If the isolated ascorbic acid at thehigh dosage that your doctor suggested does not work for you, try our whole food Pure Radiance C and see how you feel.
The Synergy Company specializes inutrition in its food form to better nourish the body. We believe supplementation with isolates is inferior to supplementation with whole foods.
We hope this information has been helpful to you. Thank you for your interest in The SynergyCompany.
Best Wishes,
Customer Service TheSynergy Company NourishingYour Life Force!
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Dear S.
Thank you for your inquiry and interest in The Synergy Company products. I'm so very sorry to hear about your health challenge. You mentioned that your doctor is recommending 16,000 mg of vitamin C per day. The FDA defines vitamin C as ascorbic acid. I am presuming that your doctoris referring to vitamin C in the form of ascorbic acid, although I'm surprised that a holistic doctor would recommend that. To equal16,000 mg of ascorbic acid you would need to consume about 24.6 tsp servings of Pure Radiance C per day. One jar of Pure Radiance C would provide 180 tsp servings, about a week's supply, for $24.95. It is interesting tothink that if you were to try to get 16,000 mg of ascorbic acid by justeating food, it would be necessary to eat, literally, bushels of berries.
Comparing amounts of ascorbic acid to the whole food vitamin C in Pure Radiance C is a bit difficult because they are not really the same thing. Whole food vitamin C is much more than ascorbic acid, as this acid is always connected to a multitude of other compounds wherever it is found in food sources. The health benefits we associate with vitamin C come from not only ascorbic acid but from the synergistic interaction of numerous phytonutrients including bioflavinoids, polyphenols,catechins,anthocyanins, rutin, enzymes and tyrosinase. Studies have also shown that whole food vitamin C is also more bioavailable than isolated ascorbic acid.
Ascorbic acid can be very hard on your stomach, because it is acidic inside the body, unlike whole food vitamin C, which is alkalizing. You have to take 5x the amount of ascorbic acid vs whole food vitamin C.
Concerning potency, again it is difficult to compare synthetic isolated ascorbic acid and the whole food nutrition in Pure Radiance C. In general, potency of any product depends on the quality of the ingredients and how carefully they are handled. Pure Radiance C offers high quality, 100% natural vitamin C made with wild crafted and organic ingredients, bottled in amber glass to protect its nutrients. Our product has all the natural enzymes found in the fruits, berries, and sproutsit is made of. So I am assuming that is what you mean by the erm"bio-active."
I hope this information is helpful. Please be in touch if you have further questions about this or any other questions that we might answer for you. Again, we appreciate your interest in Pure Radiance C! Best Wishes, Customer Service The Synergy Company Nourishing Your\Life Force!
I have put in bold the statements I disagree with.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:48 am |
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joiv
Vitamin C Master
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:21 pm Posts: 367 Location: Norway
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
Quote: The more studies that are done on ascorbic acid seem to show that rather than being an antioxidant, ascorbic acid creates free radicals. Ha! I would have liked to see them present the references for this statement. It seems to me that someone wants to promote their expensive product.
_________________ Bowel Tolerance: Approximately 30 grams – Prefers pure ascorbic acid.
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:47 pm |
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Cis4me
Vitamin C Master
Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:58 pm Posts: 225 Location: North Carolina
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
It sort of makes one wonder why only ascorbic acid need be added to one's diet to cure scurvy. 
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:54 pm |
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Dolev
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Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:01 am Posts: 758
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When are the whole foods C people gonna shut up with their made-up and harmful nonsense.
A Sunrider rep was showing my business group her vitamin C product. Each pill contained 125 mg of whole food source vitamin C. I figured out that the cost was about $3 per gram.
I've never seen one thing to back up their statements. When face to face with these people, you can usually shut them up by telling them that tens of thousands of studies have shown the effectiveness of pure powder.
Truth is, I do believe that the 50 mg of vitamin C in an orange is better than 50 or maybe even 100 mg of powder, but not better than a gram.
_________________ Dolev
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| Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:03 pm |
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sweetjames
Vitamin C Master
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:27 pm Posts: 245
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
50 mg in a orange is better than 100 mg powder? I would have never guested you felt that way
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| Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:36 pm |
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sweetjames
Vitamin C Master
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
whoops.......... guessed
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| Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:39 pm |
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godsilove
Vitamin C Expert
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:44 am Posts: 500
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
Dolev wrote: Truth is, I do believe that the 50 mg of vitamin C in an orange is better than 50 or maybe even 100 mg of powder, but not better than a gram. I do too, mainly because an orange is also a good source of folate and potassium.
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| Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:36 pm |
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ofonorow
Ascorbate Wizard
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8146 Location: Lisle, IL
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
And I used to believe in the tooth fairy. If this is true, why does 10 mg of "synthetic" ascorbic acid daily prevent frank scurvy?
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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| Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:05 am |
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Dolev
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Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:01 am Posts: 758
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
USED to believe in the tooth fairy?!?! You mean there's no...????
_________________ Dolev
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| Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:27 pm |
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sweetjames
Vitamin C Master
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:27 pm Posts: 245
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
If a person took 10 mg synthetic vitamin c daily, how could they know that is what is preventing the scurvy? Surely they are eating food with vitamin c daily as well.
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| Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:49 pm |
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ofonorow
Ascorbate Wizard
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 pm Posts: 8146 Location: Lisle, IL
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 Re: An argument against Ascorbic Acid
sweetjames wrote: If a person took 10 mg synthetic vitamin c daily, how could they know that is what is preventing the scurvy? Surely they are eating food with vitamin c daily as well. They wouldn't. But science has done a good job (according to Pauling) showing that 10 mg daily of vitamin C prevents frank scurvy.
_________________ Owen R. Fonorow, Orthomolecular Naturopath
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